Comments on: Final election results: How did the prediction go? http://jafapete.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/final-election-results-how-did-the-prediction-go/ "fifth-rate tired old commie crap" Redbaiter (kiwiblog, 25 April 2008) "jafapete, enthusiatic lickspittle apologist for Labour" Whaleoil (Whale Oil Beef Hooked, 8 July 2008) Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:15:32 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: dave http://jafapete.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/final-election-results-how-did-the-prediction-go/#comment-2601 dave Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:49:52 +0000 http://jafapete.wordpress.com/?p=2930#comment-2601 My top 10 picks are <a href="http://big-news.blogspot.com/2008/11/my-picks-for-election-i-have-been-on.html" rel="nofollow"> here</a>All were accurate. I only picked the Greens to have 8 seats. That was my 11th pick, fortunately ... My top 10 picks are hereAll were accurate. I only picked the Greens to have 8 seats. That was my 11th pick, fortunately …

]]> By: StephenR http://jafapete.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/final-election-results-how-did-the-prediction-go/#comment-2592 StephenR Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:03:53 +0000 http://jafapete.wordpress.com/?p=2930#comment-2592 "it’s the personnel." Catherine De La Hunty? ;-) They actually achieved several things, but nothing major. Pretty good effort for a party not even in coalition, but none the less they *should* be ruing what could have been. “it’s the personnel.”

Catherine De La Hunty? ;-)

They actually achieved several things, but nothing major. Pretty good effort for a party not even in coalition, but none the less they *should* be ruing what could have been.

]]> By: Inventory2 http://jafapete.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/final-election-results-how-did-the-prediction-go/#comment-2584 Inventory2 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:53:10 +0000 http://jafapete.wordpress.com/?p=2930#comment-2584 StephenR - yes, I do think the Greens' support is soft. Clearly, they gathered some support from Labour - people who couldn't bear to vote National, but their increase in vote was pretty small - 1.42 percentage points, from 5.3% in 2005 to 6.72% this year. But the bottom line is that the Greens have achieved little when Labour, their "preferred partner" has governed, and they will achieve even less in opposition, albeit with an enlarged caucus. Because the Greens' major problem is not the size of the caucus; it's the personnel. StephenR – yes, I do think the Greens’ support is soft. Clearly, they gathered some support from Labour – people who couldn’t bear to vote National, but their increase in vote was pretty small – 1.42 percentage points, from 5.3% in 2005 to 6.72% this year. But the bottom line is that the Greens have achieved little when Labour, their “preferred partner” has governed, and they will achieve even less in opposition, albeit with an enlarged caucus. Because the Greens’ major problem is not the size of the caucus; it’s the personnel.

]]> By: StephenR http://jafapete.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/final-election-results-how-did-the-prediction-go/#comment-2583 StephenR Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:31:57 +0000 http://jafapete.wordpress.com/?p=2930#comment-2583 <i> they are in danger of following Peters into oblivion. </i> You might've missed the increase in seats from 6 to 9? Or do you think their support is soft and will just migrate back to Labour once they sort their lot out? they are in danger of following Peters into oblivion.

You might’ve missed the increase in seats from 6 to 9? Or do you think their support is soft and will just migrate back to Labour once they sort their lot out?

]]> By: Inventory2 http://jafapete.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/final-election-results-how-did-the-prediction-go/#comment-2582 Inventory2 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:53:48 +0000 http://jafapete.wordpress.com/?p=2930#comment-2582 Agree with Adam's comment. Given that Greens couldn't get more than 6.7% in this election with a significant swing against Labour, the party faces an anxious future. In all probablility this will be Jeanette Fitzsimons' last term, and she seems to be the last of the moderates in the Greens' leadership - they are looking more and more than a hard left-wing option. Being frozen out of influence again will not help them develop a profile, and without an election seat to fall back on, they are in danger of following Peters into oblivion. Agree with Adam’s comment. Given that Greens couldn’t get more than 6.7% in this election with a significant swing against Labour, the party faces an anxious future. In all probablility this will be Jeanette Fitzsimons’ last term, and she seems to be the last of the moderates in the Greens’ leadership – they are looking more and more than a hard left-wing option. Being frozen out of influence again will not help them develop a profile, and without an election seat to fall back on, they are in danger of following Peters into oblivion.

]]> By: underground http://jafapete.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/final-election-results-how-did-the-prediction-go/#comment-2579 underground Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:33:13 +0000 http://jafapete.wordpress.com/?p=2930#comment-2579 The Greens cannot just be an environmental party, because how would they vote on non-environmental issues? Abstain? If so, they would be a waste of space, as they would not even contribute to 90 per cent of parliamentary debate. As a left-wing environment-focused party the Greens are doing very well anyway, they certainly don't have a "real problem". I don't think an environment only focused party would do very well anyway, as even for greenies the environment is not the only concern they have and vote on a range of issues. I for one would not vote for a centrist Green party concerned with only the environment. Most Green supporters also support their social and economic policies. Single issue parties always fail. Are there any examples to the contrary? If there were more people on the right who were genuinely concerned with the environment they should start a blue-green party, or demand the current right wing parties take environmental issues seriously. Till then the Green party will continue to get more votes than Act, NZ First, or United Future. They must be doing something right! The Greens cannot just be an environmental party, because how would they vote on non-environmental issues? Abstain? If so, they would be a waste of space, as they would not even contribute to 90 per cent of parliamentary debate. As a left-wing environment-focused party the Greens are doing very well anyway, they certainly don’t have a “real problem”.

I don’t think an environment only focused party would do very well anyway, as even for greenies the environment is not the only concern they have and vote on a range of issues. I for one would not vote for a centrist Green party concerned with only the environment. Most Green supporters also support their social and economic policies. Single issue parties always fail. Are there any examples to the contrary?

If there were more people on the right who were genuinely concerned with the environment they should start a blue-green party, or demand the current right wing parties take environmental issues seriously. Till then the Green party will continue to get more votes than Act, NZ First, or United Future. They must be doing something right!

]]> By: Around and About on Final 2008 Election Results « The Inquiring Mind http://jafapete.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/final-election-results-how-did-the-prediction-go/#comment-2578 Around and About on Final 2008 Election Results « The Inquiring Mind Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:31:15 +0000 http://jafapete.wordpress.com/?p=2930#comment-2578 [...] Jafapete comments here. JP appears to have been on the money as regards the Nats %, but off regarding the Greens. [...] [...] Jafapete comments here. JP appears to have been on the money as regards the Nats %, but off regarding the Greens. [...]

]]> By: adamsmith1922 http://jafapete.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/final-election-results-how-did-the-prediction-go/#comment-2577 adamsmith1922 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:10:46 +0000 http://jafapete.wordpress.com/?p=2930#comment-2577 Good pick overall I think the Greens have a real problem. There are many people who believe in the environment, but have a real problem with much of the economic agenda and the way the Greens present issues. They come across very poorly at times. In addition they constantly claim to want feedback and to consult and yet they always come down to a hard left position. If the Greens acted more like a Green Party and less like a home for those to the left of Labour then they would get further They need to move to the centre. Good pick overall

I think the Greens have a real problem. There are many people who believe in the environment, but have a real problem with much of the economic agenda and the way the Greens present issues.

They come across very poorly at times.

In addition they constantly claim to want feedback and to consult and yet they always come down to a hard left position.

If the Greens acted more like a Green Party and less like a home for those to the left of Labour then they would get further

They need to move to the centre.

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